High Carb Health's Gut Reset | Apology, Weight Gain, Flare Foods, Daily Routines, & Faith | GHH Ep. 9

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Time Stamps

0:00 - Intro & Apology

7:14 - Shamiz’ Healing Journey

8:41 - Evolution of High Carb Health’s Protocol

12:18 - The Brothers' Daily Routines & Diet

18:44 - Intense Training & Plant-Based Family Lifestyle

26:15 - Supplements & HCH's Coaching Service

34:40 - What to Eat During a Flare

44:28 - How to Gain Weight with IBD

47:27 - The Role of Mindset in Healing

52:57 - The Role of Faith & Gratitude

56:02 - Final Thoughts & Starting a WFPB Diet

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All right, today's guest are Shukul and Shamiz Kachwalla from High Carb Health. So these guys are actually the first people who really made— it made me understand that it was possible to get better from ulcerative colitis. First guys that I saw on YouTube, and I ended up working with them for 13 months. Over the course of between 2015 and 2016. Shamiz was diagnosed with very severe case of ulcerative colitis several years ago, and what he did was followed a whole food plant-based diet, went completely vegan and over time got completely healthy and his older brother, Shukul, got to watch the entire process unfold. And I believe, and we'll get into all this later, but I believe the entire family ended up going vegan at one point. And Shukul believed in it so much, which this is also a good selling point for me before I started working for them, was that he believed in it so much that he also went completely vegan.

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And so now they run high carb health and they help coach other people get better from inflammatory bowel disease in the same way that they did. So guys, thanks very much for joining the show. I'm very excited for you to be here. But before we get started, I do very much want to apologize to you both. So, in 2019, a couple of years after we ended it, we stopped working together, I decided to make a video and I was trying to explain why I ended up going a different route and left the protocol that they helped get me started on. And in my head I was trying to make a dramatic hook and I was wanting the course of the video to hold both options is equally important in viable ways to improve from inflammatory bowel disease.

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And I did not do a good job of that at all. And at the end of the video, once it was published and I was getting feedback off of it, it was pretty clear that it looked like I had purposely cast you both in a negative light. And I felt very guilty about that for several years now at this point. And I didn't know how to fix it, and I was also really scared to even broach the topic that was obviously not very cool of the way I handled that. And so I really just wanted to let you both know that I'm very sorry about that and I want to fix the situation if y'all are willing to forgive me, that is.

Shukul Kachwalla (00:05:01):

Yeah, we have no bad feelings, mate.

Shamiz Kachwalla (00:05:05):

We didn't feel that you put us in a bad light. There was no hard feelings or anything like that either. And I thought you actually made a pretty fair video and life goes on. It's not like a, "Oh no, Kenny Honnas is evil." We had no hard feelings and it wasn't put in a negative perspective from our point of view. Anyway, we didn't think that. So, no, you're all good man. It's all good. It's all love around here anyway.

Kenny Honnas (00:05:37):

I'm glad I had all that made up stress in my head for years.

Shamiz Kachwalla (00:05:39):

You should have just reached out and just communicated.

Kenny Honnas (00:05:46):

Well, anyway, I appreciate that. Well, thank you. That's a load off my back anyways, I have several questions for you. Oh, go for it.

Shukul Kachwalla (00:05:54):

Before you do that, mate, just before you do that, first of all, thank you so much for having us on your podcast. We really appreciate you sharing and having us be able to speak to your audience and talk to them. And whenever something gets put online, it's always going to be perceived in a particular way. So there's some people going to be looking at that video and seeing it and going, oh, he's having a go at high car health. There's other people. Go and look at that video and see it exactly the way you may have wanted to see it. Other people will look at the video and go, he's just sharing his own story.

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And from our point of view, everyone's entitled to their own opinion, to their own view of however they want to see the world. And we just do our thing. And you've followed us for a while. You know what we're like and we're not here to forth go back and forth with the internet games and stuff like that. We like you, man, we worked with you, we know who you are. So it's not like we were going to sit there and go, Kenny Honnas, as you said, we didn't reach out to you, say anything to you. Yeah. This is his journey and he is to follow his path.

Kenny Honnas (00:07:04):

Awesome. Well, thank you very much. I very much appreciate that. Well, first we can get started... Wait, are you guys in Australia or New Zealand now?

Shamiz Kachwalla (00:07:14):

We both moved, yeah.

Shukul Kachwalla (00:07:16):

Australia.

Shamiz Kachwalla (00:07:16):

Australia. Yeah.

Kenny Honnas (00:07:17):

Okay. So I just moved back from Australia. My wife and I lived in Brisbane for a year and a half.

Shamiz Kachwalla (00:07:24):

Yeah. I remember you saying that you always wanted to go to Australia, right? That was one of your things.

Kenny Honnas (00:07:28):

Yeah, never been to Australia, didn't really do a whole lot of traveling until really after I got married and then my wife dragged me all over the place. But anyways.

Shukul Kachwalla (00:07:39):

If you come back to Brisbane, you let me know and we'll catch up.

Kenny Honnas (00:07:42):

Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. So a couple of things I really wanted to ask you both about is I actually kind of want to get your perspective on both of your stories. So I know it's been over 10 years for you, Shamiz, since you've gotten healthy or since you've been healthy, or is that since you were diagnosed? I can't remember.

Shamiz Kachwalla (00:08:01):

Yes, since I was diagnosed really.

Shukul Kachwalla (00:08:07):

It' was been 12 years in August since he stopped medication. So he was diagnosed, yeah, about 12 years ago. 2012, yeah. 2012 he got diagnosed and then August 2012 he was medication free and-

Shamiz Kachwalla (00:08:20):

It took about six to eight months-

Shukul Kachwalla (00:08:22):

He's been free for eleven-ish years, just over 11 years now.

Kenny Honnas (00:08:25):

That's amazing. Okay, well, very, very cool. So I'm curious, what is y'all's coaching protocol like now today, and how do you work with clients? What's the protocol look like? And I'm just curious about the whole process.

Shukul Kachwalla (00:08:41):

Yeah, so obviously when we first started, when we worked with you, we followed very closely David Klein's protocol. We followed the book and what it did. And over time we've evolved it. We still in the self-healing principles, the body is self-healing, it heals itself. And we focus in on allowing the body to have the right conditions to heal itself. So we talk about there's five main lifestyle factors that we focus on. It's the food that you eat, but that's not the only thing that affects your health. We also focus on sleep, hydration, mental health exercise for those five things. And more recently we may be adding a sixth protocol, which is spirituality and faith to our program as well. So those things encapsulate the overall protocol and it's not just about food. And over time through experience... We've been doing this for more than 10 years now.

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So over time, through experience working with more than a thousand people, we've basically been able to refine the way we work based on the latest available evidence on the gut health and on microbiome. And also what we've learned with people in terms of adjusting David Klein's protocol to more suit what the evidence is telling us now. So it's not as strict as what the book says, there's definitely more flexibility there. It is plant=based obviously, and we believe that that's the most effective way of doing it. And from that perspective, our main goal is to keep as many plants in the diet as we can and still have fever to heal, but also work through the other aspects of health. Looking at how people are sleeping. Mental health plays a huge role in IBD.

Shamiz Kachwalla (00:10:35):

And that's why I came in as well because obviously when I went through it, it was quite hard to think about certain things and say, am I going to be the same as I was before? And really focusing on a new change. And with that change comes many other things that change in your life. And I think it's hard to see that in the future when you're going through this process. And that's where I come in and really focus on that aspect of that. And so our private coaching, basically it is very individualized with each client because if your client has a different background, it's not that we're different in a way, but we have so many different things in our lives that we're dealing with. And it can be from relationships, exams, for example. The stress levels could be all over the place. So that's something that we really focus on.

Shukul Kachwalla (00:11:30):

Yeah, it's also the length of the disease, the severity of the disease, your medical history, what level of medication you've been on, all that will impact how we work with someone. And the type of the speed at which we want someone to heal will depend on all those different things. So we will tailor the protocol specifically for that person, depending on where they're at. So we'll try and meet you where you're at, and then we'll teach you how the body heals and what to do to get to where you want to get to, which is your end goal. And we always tell people, if you want to work with us, we would prefer your end goal to be symptom medication free. Doesn't matter how long it takes you to get there. That's what we would prefer your goal to be.

Kenny Honnas (00:12:11):

That's awesome. That is really, really cool. I had wondered how it hadn't been adapted, but that's really cool to hear.

Shukul Kachwalla (00:12:18):

Yeah. It's definitely evolved a lot since we worked with you.

Kenny Honnas (00:12:21):

Yeah.

Shamiz Kachwalla (00:12:21):

It's just because we're alone.

Kenny Honnas (00:12:23):

Yeah, I mean, well it is crazy though, you say that. Over 10 years of doing this and then over a thousand people you've worked with, those are crazy numbers. So yeah, absolutely. You guys have literally grown up into real true adult men doing this. So, man, you guys must have learned quite a lot. So something I was curious about is both of your daily routines, I always think it's interesting to get a peek inside and what are they doing on a daily basis, what are their lives? And I know that you're both very, very active and, Shukul, I know you have a ton of kids, right? You got a bunch of kids going on.

Shukul Kachwalla (00:12:59):

Just two.

Kenny Honnas (00:13:00):

Just two. All right, all right. Well, that's a bunch to me, my wife and I, our first one is on the way, so I'm excited about all that.

Shamiz Kachwalla (00:13:06):

Congrats guys.

Kenny Honnas (00:13:07):

Thanks man. But yeah, I would love to know about both of your individual routines.

Shamiz Kachwalla (00:13:14):

Yeah, all right. Well yeah, obviously it depends on what I'm doing. So I do a lot of sport at events, so I guess my way of life changes a little bit when I'm getting a bit serious with sport. So I've done a lot of things during these 10 years that I've been able to get my life back. So I think I've completed a marathon I think in 2021. And during that time, obviously when I'm training it's very different from what I eat. So, for example, it's like any other athlete that wants to optimize recovery and things like that. So I'll definitely make sure that my diet is specific to what I want, how many calories I need when I'm doing my training load. So it can be very much varied to a normal day when I'm not training. So generally I like to start off with lots of fruit and lots of greens and starches.

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So, fruits, greens, and starches, whether it's rice, potatoes, sweet potatoes, pumpkin squash, so lots of greens, fruits and starches just to really get the body recovering really well. So when I'm going through that training program, I want to get up the next day and get back out and not be sore and not be able to train again without any difficulty. So the training program obviously is different to when I'm say just doing my daily activities, more focusing on alkaline when you're hard training, aren't you? Yeah. So obviously the recovery aspect of that is really important. So I eat specific to my body's ability to recover faster, but generally I'm eating a whole food plant-based diet. I eat everything in the plant kingdom. There's no restriction as such. My cousin's come here for a week and we've just been going restaurant hopping and eating all the different whole food plant-based restaurants that are out here in Sunshine Coast.

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And it's been awesome. And you definitely don't feel the best because it's different to when you're training and when you are getting out there every day and you exercising, because exercising is amazing. You feel amazing when you're on top of your game. But we're able to do that, that's the main thing. And I don't have any issues. And the socializing aspect is really important as well when it comes to this lifestyle. And I've really found the best of both worlds. And it's that balance, it's that threshold, that zone that you put yourself through, that within your own life, that's how you can really focus on doing better every day. And actually I've gone down the Christian path as well for me.

Kenny Honnas (00:16:30):

Really?

Shamiz Kachwalla (00:16:31):

Yeah, yeah, man, I've found Jesus about three months ago.

Kenny Honnas (00:16:37):

Dude, congratulations man. That's amazing. That's really, really cool.

Shamiz Kachwalla (00:16:40):

Yeah. It's actually been really just amazing to find his values and what he stands for and what it did for us and just really excited to see what God's plan is for me and going forward. And I guess the Holy Spirit's always been working in me and us and slowly it's being exposed and I now know what was behind all that. So it's been really revealing for me and I'm excited.

Kenny Honnas (00:17:12):

What a wild turn of events. That's amazing. That's really cool, man. I'm happy to hear that. Well, dang.

Shamiz Kachwalla (00:17:18):

Yeah. And obviously coming from a spiritual background myself, it was quite easy to transfer and to really align my values with Jesus's teachings and it's been pretty amazing and easy I guess. And just being able to embody that and what God has planned for me, it's exciting because I'm just going through it all and just seeing some amazing things happening and yeah, it's been pretty cool. Yeah.

Kenny Honnas (00:17:55):

That is exciting, man. Before we got on the call, I was looking through one of your YouTube videos and one of the meals that you had after your dinner meal was this gigantic salad with breadfruit and a dressing and green onions and all of this stuff. And it was gargantuan, it was massive. And I thought that I was able to eat quite a lot of volume when I was following the whole food plant-based approach. Sometimes when I'm hanging out with friends or whatever, if I meet someone new, they're like, Kenny, tell them what your banana record is in a day. And I'm like, well, I got to 49 in one day and I would've got to 50 if I hadn't run out of bananas. But even for me, I thought I could eat large volumes of food. That was a big old salad. Is that what all of your meals are like?

Shamiz Kachwalla (00:18:44):

Well, generally during training days where I eat quite a lot, we're doing about 30, 40 miles a week, sometimes running and on the bike.

Kenny Honnas (00:18:54):

Oh, gosh. That sounds hard.

Shamiz Kachwalla (00:18:56):

Yeah, well that's what happens. You've got to do those things when you're training for half Ironman's or 70 point threes. If you don't do that, then you're not going to get the time that you want and you won't be able to complete it. So it's very much you need to do your bit and training and stuff. So, no, definitely it's due to the amount of training, the exercise that I do, the volume of food that I eat so upward to 4,000, 5,000 calories a day when I'm training real hard.

Kenny Honnas (00:19:31):

That's impressive. That is impressive.

Shamiz Kachwalla (00:19:35):

Yeah, it's fun.

Shukul Kachwalla (00:19:36):

Iron Man, half Iron Man, you were doing that many miles running 100 to 50 miles a week or cycling. And then how much swimming were you doing? How many minutes per week?

Shamiz Kachwalla (00:19:47):

6,000 meters a week. A week than six plus 6,000 meters' week. Yeah, it's pretty intense.

Kenny Honnas (00:19:54):

If that is the miles, that sounds like a lot.

Shukul Kachwalla (00:19:59):

Six kilometers. So maybe four miles, three and a half, four miles a week of swimming.

Kenny Honnas (00:20:04):

Yeah, that's crazy.

Shamiz Kachwalla (00:20:06):

But no, otherwise when I'm not training, I'm just enjoying life as it is. And I live up in Queensland as well, which is such an awesome state as you know. And it's nice to be in a place where you get everything and it suits my lifestyle really well and it suits everybody's lifestyle to be honest. And yeah, it's just so awesome to be able to do these things. When you look back 10 years ago, I couldn't walk up the stairs. And even yourself, when you look back at where you came from, it hits your heart when you feel like, wow, I'm this far ahead and there's so many awesome things to come as well, more things to come. But just to think that we're not succumbing to medicine and we're not to take drugs for the rest of our lives and we're able to live our lives normally without any issues is something that I strive for. And I'd do it all again in a heartbeat if I knew that this was going to be my life now.

Kenny Honnas (00:21:24):

Man, that's cool. That's super cool. Shukul, I'm still curious about your routine as well, man. Lay it on me. What's it like for you? Meal wise training and then grocery shopping for a whole family with people that eat this large volume meals?

Shukul Kachwalla (00:21:40):

Yeah, absolutely. So it is very, very similar in the way we eat. So basically it's predominantly fruits and starches. So my day would be getting up in the morning, I still haven't finished my water, but trying to get my hydration in.

Kenny Honnas (00:21:55):

A liter a day, right? A liter in the morning, a liter in the morning, three liters a day.

Shukul Kachwalla (00:22:00):

Three liters a day, a liter in the morning, that's the one. So then it'll be a meal of fruit. So generally if I have the availability, it'll be some kind of watery fruit like oranges or watermelons or something that's quite water rich to again hydrate your body and get you kickstarted in the right way. It helps you with a lot of vitamins and minerals as well. And so water edge fruits to start the day. Then in the middle of the day I'll have a smoothie of some sort, bananas, dates, mangoes or blueberries or some kind of berries or mangoes in my smoothie. Every now and then I'll chuck some greens in there. Kale's my favorite, kale, mango, banana and date. That's my favorite one. I really love that.

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And then in the evenings I'll have a starchy meal. So again, if I'm training, there'll be less grains and beans in my meals. Meals if I'm just not training too hard, there'll be a mix of mainly potatoes or sweet potatoes and then also veggies. Veggies and greens. Veggies and greens, and then some rice or beans for dinner. So that's what my day is. And depending on right now I'm focusing mainly on the bike. So I'm doing about 200 kilometers every week on the bike, aiming for 10,000 this year. That's my goal.

Kenny Honnas (00:23:26):

Wow. You are cycling machines.

Shukul Kachwalla (00:23:29):

Yeah. So that's my goal right now. And that it's a whole heap of fun. You go on adventures and you see different things, places you haven't been to. And I really love that aspect of it. And then I've got the family as well, so my wife and my two kids, they're whole food. And so my kids always start their day with some fruit and then they'll have a more substantial meal because their stomachs are small, they can't eat the same volume of fruit as an adult can, so they're generally having some kind of starches during the morning after their fruit breakfast. So it might be like a smoothie bowl of granola or some oats or something like that to start their day. And then they're basically eating the same things that we do. So they'll have their lunch, way more starchy than mine, and then the dinner will be always the same as what we eat. So it's not like anything specific we do include maybe a little bit more fat in their diet just to get their calories up a little bit.

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But yeah, there's a whole heap of myths around nutrition requirements for kids as well that make you sound like it's more complicated than it. It's not. They're just humans at the end of the day and they need certain things that we do.

Shamiz Kachwalla (00:24:47):

That's like our motto from the very beginning is keep it simple. There's no need to complicate things unnecessarily. And I guess that's the nutrition world today is that, oh, we need to eat this, we need to eat that for that. Just eat a regular balanced diet of lots of plants in your plate and don't complicate. And here's another thing as well, we actually don't go out of our way to eat more protein either. So we're very, with all this training that we've been doing over the years, we don't actually go out of oil and eat protein because we want to keep protein powder since yeah, we don't take any supplements, but B12. So it's pretty simple. We get everything from our food.

Kenny Honnas (00:25:31):

Wow. So no supplements besides B12 at all. Really? I was going to ask you about that. So I was going to ask you about is there any supplements that you recommend in your protocol at all when people are getting better? Is it really just straight whole foods?

Shukul Kachwalla (00:25:48):

B12? Depends on whether they're deficient of anything. So it's mainly just B12 and iron if someone is deficient in iron, the other nutrients we've found that you don't need to supplement at all. Wow. So if someone works with us, the only other supplement from B12 they'll ever take is iron. So they don't even need to take zinc or magnesium or anything like that. It's not necessary. Yeah.

Kenny Honnas (00:26:15):

All right. Got it. What was that.

Shamiz Kachwalla (00:26:18):

We've never had any issues over the years. I mean, I haven't really found the need to take supplements. I mean, they're synthetic and I guess when we're talking about whole foods and we don't necessarily need to take the pill to get what we need from plants or the minerals that come from plants.

Kenny Honnas (00:26:38):

A lot cheaper too.

Shamiz Kachwalla (00:26:50):

Yeah. A lot cheaper.

Shukul Kachwalla (00:26:50):

Exactly, yeah.

Shamiz Kachwalla (00:26:50):

And the supplement industry isn't actually regulated.

Shukul Kachwalla (00:26:51):

So you can't trust what's in it. So yeah, if we don't really trust it or there's no science, real evidence behind the benefits of it, then we're not going to recommend it.

Shamiz Kachwalla (00:26:58):

And that's the way it started for us, isn't it? Because of what happened to me, we started to question a lot of things about medicine and drugs and if they're actually working or not, and what's the success rate, what's the remission rates? And we didn't generally find any benefits to taking pills, just all the benefits come from the food that we eat. Yeah, it's a pretty interesting one because there's a lot of things out there, a lot of people out there that suggest supplementation and you've got to wonder, well, why the supplementation of the diet is fine with what do we need to take.

Shukul Kachwalla (00:27:38):

Just to finish off your question with the family and stuff. So in terms of shopping for the family, we try and buy most of our staples and belts. So bananas we'll buy by the box, one box for about 15 kilos a week we go through, so within pounds, just over 30 pounds per week of bananas, and similar for potatoes. And then we just, every week we'll go once or twice a week and we'll replenish the veggies and different fruits. And the kids' favorite thing is fruit. You give them fruit, they're just happy. So, yeah.

Shamiz Kachwalla (00:28:17):

They don't ask for candy or lollies or anything because they're getting that sugar and they're getting the glucose in them. And so they don't have those sugar cravings or any other things like that because they're satisfied.

Kenny Honnas (00:28:28):

Yeah.

Shukul Kachwalla (00:28:31):

Yeah. And they're super healthy, they hardly ever get sick and they're growing really well. So a lot of people say these, they're vegan and they're plant-based. So vegan's an ethical position. So we try and be careful about how we use the word vegan because you can be vegan and extremely unhealthy. You can eat Oreos and deep-fried potato chips all day and you can be vegan. So, vegan, we try and push that from there. That's an ethical position that people follow. And the diet that we recommend is whole food plant based. We're not looking at processed foods, we're not looking at oils, all of these processed things and oils, we're keeping away from the diet and we're just focusing on whole plants.

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So, fruits, vegetables, whole grains, legumes and small amounts of nuts and seeds. And that's what should make up the diet as far as we're concerned. And yeah, it's funny from a diet, a health perspective, a lot of the people that talk about getting rid of colitis, we have a lot of things in common. We don't recommend the medical industry. We try and limit supplements. We don't like processed foods. From a lot of us coaches who believe that you can get rid of colitis actually have a lot more common than we have different, and unfortunately, I think in today's world, we're trying to show differences instead of banding together and actually working at the bigger issue, which is the medical industry that's harming so many people. You know what I mean? That's our biggest thing.

Shamiz Kachwalla (00:29:58):

It's the biggest cause of death.

Shukul Kachwalla (00:30:00):

Our biggest thing is let's get people off their medications. Let's get them away from the chains of disease, let's get them off their medications, get them healthy. And that's our main goal in life of trying to go back and forth which diets and everything. So that's how I see it. But from my perspective, these kids, they're plant-based from conception. They've never been introduced to any animal products. They do all sorts of sports. My 6-year-old has run 10 5K runs, like park runs. My 3-year-old, he just ran his longest run the other day, did one and a half kilometers. That's almost a mile-

Kenny Honnas (00:30:42):

Wow. That's awesome.

Shukul Kachwalla (00:30:44):

... Without stopping. And so they're active, they go to gymnastics, they go to dance, they go to another little guy, play soccer. It's just like they're growing just like any other kid, you can't tell the difference. So for me it's like, well, there's no real detriment to raising your kid on a plant-based diet.

Kenny Honnas (00:31:07):

Very cool. Well that's a very good insight into all that. I was very curious about both of y'all.

Shukul Kachwalla (00:31:14):

Yeah. And the other thing is if you want to see what we eat-

Shamiz Kachwalla (00:31:16):

Oh, yeah, of course.

Shukul Kachwalla (00:31:17):

... I was going to say that again. If you want to see what we eat daily, I'm less on it because I've got the kids and sometimes I forget, but Sham, if you want to see what he eats on Instagram stories, every single meal he eats, he'll take a photo or a video and he'll put it up there. So if you're following us on Instagram and you check out our stories, you'll see what he eats and what he does every day. And we want to be real transparent with it because even when you go to a restaurant, he'll take a photo of that restaurant, he'll put it up there, he'll show you what he's eating.

Kenny Honnas (00:31:44):

You have the most colorful Instagram page ever. It's just vibrant colors everywhere. [inaudible 00:31:54].

Shukul Kachwalla (00:31:56):

So that's how we work. In the morning, I normally try to exercise in the morning, so I'll get up out of the house around 5:36 and anywhere between one and four hours depending on what the workout is for the day and what I'm doing from a riding perspective. And I think I'm averaging seven to 10 hours a week, about seven to 10 hours a week for me. Yeah.

Kenny Honnas (00:32:19):

You guys are exercise machines. That is impressive. So I have some before I get into the next question. I'm curious, so do you both do coaching calls or how does that work? On a day-to-day, are you both basically on Zoom all day every day doing coaching calls?

Shamiz Kachwalla (00:32:39):

Yep. Yep. So half an hour call and yeah. Every client half an hour call and I work five days a week.

Shukul Kachwalla (00:32:53):

So five days a week, weekends off. Just Monday to Friday we're doing correction calls most of the day. So we both coach clients. So it's just a random allocation when someone joins program, either they talk to me or Shamiz and we both handled the same information.

Kenny Honnas (00:33:12):

That's pretty cool.

Shamiz Kachwalla (00:33:16):

And also we've made it that way so that you get that personalized advice so you're not speaking to someone else. And we want to give time to people that are going through this as well. And again, when I was going through this, I didn't have anyone to help me as much, and so I want to try and give back to people the way that I would've wanted be coached during my healing journey. So that's what we provide with our service and making sure that people are doing the right things and coaching them in everyday living pretty much.

Kenny Honnas (00:33:51):

Yeah.

Shukul Kachwalla (00:33:51):

Our main goal is that when they're finished with us, they no longer need us.

Kenny Honnas (00:33:57):

I love that. I absolutely love that.

Shukul Kachwalla (00:33:59):

That's our main approach with it. So you should be able to get enough info from the time you work with us to heal, but also we'll coach you on what to do after. So life after colitis.

Kenny Honnas (00:34:10):

Absolutely.

Shukul Kachwalla (00:34:13):

That's the goal.

Kenny Honnas (00:34:15):

That's an excellent goal and a great tagline too. I mean, that sold me. So you guys are... I have a couple of... These questions are probably going to be funny to you because you hear them so often, but I think it might be interesting and especially with just maybe how the protocol has evolved, but you got a client comes to you or maybe a comment on social media, whatever it is, what is the best food to eat in a flare?

Shamiz Kachwalla (00:34:46):

It's a tricky question because again, because of the history, what people go through, there's no one particular food that's going to suddenly miraculously change your symptoms. And I guess we don't focus on symptoms, we focus on the root cause. So if you have symptoms, you can't magically make that disappear with a certain food. You may get some relief, but because again, the history of people are so different and when you give someone a certain food, they may react to anything. It's not just one thing that's going to suddenly help. But we tend to say to people that, look, this is how the body works and if you provide this food to... If you give your body this food, then it's going to potentially soothe the body and eventually get you to a better place. I like to recommend bananas obviously as you know-

Kenny Honnas (00:35:39):

Mono wheels of bananas.

Shamiz Kachwalla (00:35:44):

Yeah. And relieving symptoms that way and understanding that, okay, this is going to soothe my system.

Shukul Kachwalla (00:35:52):

It's only very important by that question actually because it's something that I think there's too much focus on it when it comes to colitis and Crohn's. And people are hyper-focused on which food they need to eat to get rid of this particular symptom or which supplement or potion they need to take. The main thing from our perspective is food doesn't heal, the body heals itself. So what you need to know and learn from an intrinsic perspective is how is your body going to heal and what is the root cause of why you got this in the first place? What caused the inflammation, what caused the ulceration? Once you know that, then you know okay, these things caused it. So I've got to avoid that at all costs and I've got to keep things as simple as possible to make it as soft and as easy as possible for this food to go through this ulcerated inflamed bowel.

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And you're not necessarily going to stop your symptoms immediately, but if you do those things, you're going to allow your body to heal. It's like when you get a cut on your knee for example, or you graze on your knee when you fall over, the pain's not going to go away like this if you put some Dettol on it for example. In fact, it's probably going to hurt more initially before it gets better. So that's what we say. You've got to try and view your body's healing mechanism is the same because it's the same on the outside as the inside. A lot of the times you can feel worse before it gets better, but if you truly want to get rid of the symptoms, you have to go through that kind of wave of feeling where you do feel uncomfortable for a little bit as you also know. But once you get to the other side and it's repaired, it doesn't hurt anymore. And then you've got to maintain it. Don't scrape it again, don't injure it again, basically.

Shamiz Kachwalla (00:37:38):

So we talk about managing as well, managing condition instead of managing with medicine, manage with food and lifestyle, it's not just food.

Shukul Kachwalla (00:37:46):

It's not just food. Yeah. So it's your entire lifestyle. And I can talk about why. So, from our perspective, it's the body's ability to remove toxins that causes your symptoms. So anytime something's coming out, getting shed or expelled from your body, there's some toxic matter being removed and the main key is to put less toxins in than what you get out eventually. It's simple math. Your body will peel after the toxic damage goes away. And so with your diet, that's only one aspect of it because you can cause damage to your body by not getting enough rest because overnight your body does a lot of healing and repair.

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And if you don't give it that time again, going to get rid of the cause, right? If you're under a lot of stress, your vagus nerve isn't communicating well with your gut, you're not digesting your food properly, again, there's going to be incomplete digestion, there's going to be future fraction in your bowel is going to be toxins released that way. Taking antibiotics, your microbiomes going to be, yeah, and the medicine's toxic in and of itself. So there's a whole lot of things, and it's quite fascinating to me that when people go to the hospital or go to the doctor with IBD, they'll give them antibiotics. And I'm like, "what are you doing?"

Kenny Honnas (00:39:11):

You're making the problem worse.

Shukul Kachwalla (00:39:15):

Without even diagnosing if there's a bacterial issue there. It's just like, oh, here, take this.

Shamiz Kachwalla (00:39:20):

They say that you have infection, and that's why they do that. But not realizing that the gut microbiome is also very important and that's going to wipe away maybe a lot of the bacteria that we need. So there's lot of issues. And then if people have that condition or have those issues, then to replenish that, it takes a while. And I think people always want to have a quick fix. So when you ask that question, what can I eat in a flare up? Yeah, it's not going to suddenly just go away. Your condition's not going to go away, it takes time and patience and that's what you've got to do it for.

Shukul Kachwalla (00:39:59):

The long-term solution, there's no quick fixes anywhere. And I think what we've got better at over the years is actually managing the process on how long people keep them. Depending on how severe they are, we won't say get off your medication today. There'll be a process of actually controlling your symptoms with medication, but optimizing your body. So getting your gut microbiome more optimized through the diet, getting your toxins out of your body.

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And then once things are stabilized, you are in your remission, then you can start thinking about getting off your medication. So it's not like let's just go all in. We might have done in the past because that's where a lot of the horror stories you hear, but David clients protocol is when people have just gone on the full healing diet, they've gone stopped all their medication immediately and it's just say you bought an expensive race car and you're taking it for your first lap on the circuit, you go down the front straight and the first corner's approaching and that approach is not hitting the brakes. You know what I mean?

Kenny Honnas (00:41:05):

Yeah.

Shukul Kachwalla (00:41:06):

You go around that corner full speed, you don't know the limits of the vehicle, know all of that stuff. You need to understand all of these things before you kind of let the brakes off. And so that's the way we work now. It's taking as little risk as we possibly can, keeping the symptoms as relaxed as they possibly can and taking a more long-term approach with people's healing, especially if they've had super long histories and been on biologics and things like that. So that can be... So we worked with a doctor in the US and we worked with him for 22 months now. He had colitis, he had vaccine injury from the COVID vaccines. He had a blood clot in his leg that we had to resolve. So all these things we had to get, he was on all these medications like steroids for his heart inflammation, different medication for his colitis.

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And the guy had lived in nappies for 10 years. He couldn't go outside without wearing nappies.

Shamiz Kachwalla (00:42:09):

This was a medical doctor. The dog was following the principles of what he was taught and he was like, I can't do this anymore, so I need somewhere. And then obviously he found my gut health and he was like, right, what can you do?

Shukul Kachwalla (00:42:24):

That's just an approach. Some people try and pigeonhole themselves, I'm going to give myself six months and if I don't get better in six months I've failed. No, you may have improved like 60% in six months, but you still think you failed because you didn't get the 100% result. Whereas if you keep going at it for another three or four months, you may get there. So it's not actually saying, okay, this is the amount of time it's going to take me. It's saying it'll take me as long as it's going to take me, but even if it takes you a year or a year and a half, it's still better than living with colitis for the rest of your life.

Kenny Honnas (00:42:53):

Yeah, that's true. What's the alternative?

Shukul Kachwalla (00:42:57):

Yeah, exactly.

Shamiz Kachwalla (00:42:58):

And that's what we realized too, is it may felt long before, but here I'm 12 years later-

Kenny Honnas (00:43:06):

It's gone.

Shamiz Kachwalla (00:43:08):

It's gone. You think about the comparison of time, the timeline there.

Shukul Kachwalla (00:43:16):

So when people think about the time investment or the monetary investment, no matter what you do working with someone, if you get rid of it, when you get rid of it's going to be completely live altering, not only from a health perspective, a financial perspective, a time perspective. Everything is just going to be completely changed and you're going to have the vast majority of our clients-

Shamiz Kachwalla (00:43:39):

It's freedom.

Shukul Kachwalla (00:43:39):

It's freedom, yeah. They're better than what they were before they even started— got colitis or crohn's.

Shukul Kachwalla (00:43:45):

That's what that medical doctor that we helped. I mean imagine being in adult diapers for 10 years and going, this is the rest of my life. It's shocking as some of your audience know, this disease is not easy to handle and would you rather have that or would you rather be free from all that? What's the involve?

Kenny Honnas (00:44:06):

Absolutely. So a second question, which I think this is probably going to fall under the same category. How can someone struggle with IBD gain weight? I'm sure you hear that all the time. In fact, I'm pretty sure I asked you that probably 10 times when I was working with you. So I assume it falls under the same approach though of well, you need to get healthy first.

Shukul Kachwalla (00:44:28):

Yeah, I'll explain that. You need to heal your body. So this is the way we see it. When your body's going through healing, it's in a very catabolic state. So catabolic for people who aren't aware of that term, it's cell destruction. And so the body's trying to destroy the damaged cells, remove the toxins, just get rid of all the nasty stuff that it needs to. It has no interest in rebuilding the way, the analogy I have is say you're renovating a house, you're completely renovating the whole house. You're going to gut the whole house first and then rebuild. You won't just gut one room, rebuild that room and then move on to the next one because that would just be silly, right? So the body's going to do the same thing. It's going to clean up the entire body. It's not just going to focus on the bowel, it's going to heal the whole thing.

Shamiz Kachwalla (00:45:20):

The liver, the kidneys.

Shukul Kachwalla (00:45:21):

All the organs, the blood, all of that. And then once it's finished, so it's like an inverse bell curve. You go through the catabolic phase, you get down to the bottom and your weight drops until you reach the healing point where it bottoms out. And then once it's healed, it will switch to anabolic and you won't have to do anything. It's effortless. Once it switches into the anabolic phase, the weight just comes on and you've seen how fast the weight comes back on after you heal. It just comes on. And it's like no matter what you do, you're just putting on weight just easily and your appetite increases. Everything just starts to rev up into building mode and the body starts to rebuild. And if you've done it properly, that's what's going to happen.

Kenny Honnas (00:46:02):

Yeah. Absolutely.

Shamiz Kachwalla (00:46:03):

And the exercise as well, chiseling yourself out as well. So regaining all the muscle memory that you had from before and really focusing on that aspect.

Shukul Kachwalla (00:46:14):

So you'll get back to a normal way. And then if you want to do more than that, it depends on what kind of exercise you do. So if you're going to do more aerobic exercise, you're going to be just leaner. We don't have a huge amount of muscle because we don't do weights. We focus on start running and cycling and you see those athletes, they're thinner. Whereas if you do anaerobic exercise, then obviously you're going to be bigger because that's the kind of resistance you're putting onto your body. And so the body shape you want will depend on the type of exercise you do. So if you want to have a more muscular physique, don't only do cycling, get in the gym more and do less IC and the diet doesn't have much to do with the type of physique you're going to get.

Kenny Honnas (00:46:59):

Cool. All right. So now I'm curious. I'm curious to hear about the mindset changes because I don't think that was a big part of the protocol at the time that I was working with y'all. So I'm curious because it's a huge topic right now. Everybody's interested in it. Everyone wants to know about the gut-brain connection or just how that stress influences everything. And that was something just so not in really just front and center in my mind at the time going through all of this.

Shukul Kachwalla (00:47:27):

Yeah. And it wasn't well known either. We didn't know much about it. I think what really got me interested in the mind gut connection was working with people and you'd have a handful of people who had similar type of history. They're eating the same type of food and they're doing pretty much the same thing from a physical perspective. But one person may take two months or three months to heal and the other person may take nine or 10 months to heal. You're thinking, why is this person taking so much longer than this other person? And what we realized was that the person who heals faster has no doubts in their head that they're going to get better.

Kenny Honnas (00:48:05):

Wow.

Shukul Kachwalla (00:48:06):

They don't question themselves.

Kenny Honnas (00:48:07):

That's a really important little tidbit there.

Shukul Kachwalla (00:48:10):

You know what I mean? They don't question themselves. They're not thinking, "Will this work for me?" They're just know it is laser focus. And for me it's knowing that you have inside it's an instinctive knowing that you know that the body can heal. And it's the same knowing you have that if you break your arm, you know the bone's going to heal. If you graze your knee, the skin's going to heal and repair. It's instinctive. But when the healing is happening on the inside because you can't see it and the cause is not natural, the instinct doesn't kick in the same way. So you have to be taught that you need to learn how to implement that. And the key to understanding the inside is learning how the body heals, what is the physiology behind how the body heals? And that's something that reason, and I really, really go into depth. Our course is really focused on education and the education piece of the course has evolved again since you worked with us.

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So there's a lot more to it about not only the science around diet and IBD, but also understanding the physiology about how the body heals. So we spend a lot of time people in the initial few weeks talking about that and making sure that people understand that. Once you know how the body's going to heal, once you know why, what becomes very easy and when you're willing to go through the waves of healing and be much more relaxed throughout the process.

Shamiz Kachwalla (00:49:38):

And fear is a huge one. If you're seeing symptoms, you're going to get scared. Obviously, you're going to find that, "Oh, why is my body doing this again?" And going back to that idea of knowing what's going on and understanding your body is what's important. And if you don't know what's going on, you're going to freak out. Yeah. So that's why when you have someone there to tell you that this is what actually happens, this is what everyone goes through, you feel a bit more comfortable when you're going through such a situation.

Shukul Kachwalla (00:50:13):

And the key thing to understand is fear as an absence of knowledge. If you go into a dark cave and you can't see what's in there, you're going to be scared of what's in there. But if that cave is completely lit up and you can see everything, it's the same cave, but now you're not scared anymore. So our key is really the knowledge aspect, so people understand exactly what the body's doing, why it's doing these things, why is their blood in your stool? Why have you got ulceration? Once you know all that, it makes it much easier to understand what's going on. And that's why medical professionals can't tell you because they don't know themselves that what's going on with their body, they're just trial and error. They're saying, okay, we'll put person on this medication, see if it works. If it doesn't, then put on another medication until their symptoms get better. Again, going back to the symptoms' aspect.

Shamiz Kachwalla (00:51:00):

Don't worry about your symptoms. Focus on the end goal.

Shukul Kachwalla (00:51:04):

As long as you're doing the right things.

Shamiz Kachwalla (00:51:04):

Yeah, well that's right. Give your body the right conditions and understand the symptoms that way instead of fearing the symptoms.

Shukul Kachwalla (00:51:14):

And you know what it's like. You've gone to the toilet and you've seen the toilet bowl completely red. You've seen it and you know what it's like, and you look back and you're like, holy-

Kenny Honnas (00:51:23):

Y'all hit-

Shukul Kachwalla (00:51:24):

You don't know what is going on here.

Kenny Honnas (00:51:24):

... The nail right on the head. What's crazy is, I'm sure you have your clients do this all the time, but whenever that would happen to me, I would spend hours just walking around in circles thinking, all right, was the bananas I ate yesterday? Was it the mushrooms I ate two days ago? You're just like, what was it that I did? And I think, yeah, you're exactly right. It's the analogy with the bodily wound is so apt, I think, because if you're that inflamed down there, anything passing through there can cause symptoms, literally anything. And so it, there's no good being afraid, like you're saying, walking around in circles and just obsessing over what that thing could have been. Yeah.

Shamiz Kachwalla (00:52:15):

And then we've got the faith aspect as well. God is here and his body is spread perfectly, and we need to have that faith that things are going to happen. This is God's plan for, there's a lesson to be learned. And humility is probably the main thing that I took out of my healing journey. It created so much gratitude. I wasn't very grateful before. And I think this taught me that lesson going through colitis, going through this healing journey of mine. I took things for granted and I didn't realize. And I think that's what I have realized now, is that the humility behind it, the humbling process is huge when you go through this and you appreciate things so much more.

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And I believe that's what God's doing to us, and he's creating this new world for us that we become very appreciative and we have that gratitude that I think gratitude wins over anything. You can't be upset if you have gratitude. You can't be negative when you have gratitude. You just see life in such a beautiful way when you have that gratitude. So it's actually a winner for everything, attitude of gratitude.

Shukul Kachwalla (00:53:30):

Being humble, but also accepting the position that you're in. So when you're talking about the mindset of healing, first of all, you need to accept that I'm in this position. So a lot of people, the amount of people that I've spoken to that say, but my diet was healthy, well, if you're in the position in right now, it wasn't, and you have to accept it. You have to accept it. You can't just sugarcoat it. And being a coach, if you're trying and sugarcoat something, someone's not going to get the best value out of what they're paying you for. So you need to be up straight up upfront with them and tell them exactly what it's, so there are aspects of your diet, but also your lifestyle that weren't healthy. So you need to correct those if you want to get better.

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So, first of all, just accepting that I'm in this situation and not wanting it to be different to what it is. And understanding that everything in life happens for a reason. And you may not know the exact reason why you got into this position right now, but surrender to it. As you and Sham now understand, there was a bigger reason for you to have that. We've helped so many people. He's helped so many people. You've helped so many people. So it's like understanding that, okay, what is my reason for this? And you may learn that one month down the line, you may learn it 10 years down the line, it doesn't matter when you learn it, you finally get the understanding. So if you understand, okay, everything's happening for a reason, it's exactly how it's supposed to be for me, but it's not going to be like this forever, and you can just sit in peace with it.

Shamiz Kachwalla (00:55:06):

Yeah, it's surrendering.

Shukul Kachwalla (00:55:09):

Surrendering into it, sitting in peace with it, and then you go, okay, this is my situation. What do I need to do? And then you find focus on solutions only.

Kenny Honnas (00:55:17):

All right.

Shukul Kachwalla (00:55:23):

You can sit there and-

Shamiz Kachwalla (00:55:23):

Don't focus on the enemy, focus on [inaudible 00:55:24].

Shukul Kachwalla (00:55:23):

You can sit there looking back and dissecting everything you did in the past, but it's not going to change anything.

Kenny Honnas (00:55:28):

Yeah, absolutely.

Shukul Kachwalla (00:55:29):

I mean, you've probably spoken to so many people, but this is why I did this. I did. That. Doesn't matter. You're in the position you're in.

Kenny Honnas (00:55:36):

Yeah, absolutely.

Shukul Kachwalla (00:55:37):

So don't dwell on the path. Focus on what you're going to do now and that will improve your future.

Kenny Honnas (00:55:42):

Cool. All right. I've got one final question.

Shukul Kachwalla (00:55:45):

I think that's the main thing.

Kenny Honnas (00:55:47):

Yeah, a perfect way to sum it up. For someone who is struggling with IBD and they're really interested in the whole food plant-based diet, what's the best first step to take and what's the best place to find y'all?

Shamiz Kachwalla (00:56:02):

First step, well...

Shukul Kachwalla (00:56:06):

Before you make too many drastic changes, start to look into some of the resources. So, I mean, if you want to fast-forward as much as possible, I'm going to be biased here, but I'd say book a 30-minute Sham. Chat with him and get him to understand your situation and give you some advice as to what you can do straight away. But don't jump into something without fully understanding it. So, for me, when I first jumped into it, I read about four or five different books. I went through the research on it and I critically evaluated. I tried to pick every single hole into the plant-based diet and find out, because I wanted to eat meat.

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I used to be a big meat eater. I mean, I bragged about eating a 600 gram steak. So I tried to find everything that I possibly could to say that why isn't this the right thing for me? All right. And critically evaluated decisions, understand why you're doing it and don't just listen to someone. Even us, we say this to all our clients, just because we said it doesn't mean you have to follow it blindly. And that goes for everybody on the internet. Okay? So is what this person's saying, does it have any backing? Is there any credence? Is there logic behind it? Doesn't make sense. Again, you've got to go through that line of thinking, and that's what I had to do. He probably didn't have to do that as much. He saw his body heal, did it? He was like, yeah, that's enough for me. But for me, I had to go through it.

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And so I went through, I started on this raw food journey and again, I logic tested that and it made a lot of sense because all the animals eat raw and that kind of thing. And I'm not raw now, but I felt amazing that for two or three months, and then I started to think, okay, well what is the evidence towing me? I said, okay. I started to incorporate some starches and vegetables and legumes and things like that. And you find a really good balance over time. And so you can do it the long way, which is you can try and do the trial and error and find out by yourself and go through the information and test things. Or you can work with a coach and hit the passport button. You can get done in a few months. What may take you a couple of two or three years.

Kenny Honnas (00:58:28):

Trial and error.

Shukul Kachwalla (00:58:30):

Exactly. And whatever works for you. There's no right or wrong way. If that way makes it stick for you, then that's great. Working with a coach is going to make you more accountable. A lot of people when they work with us, they really appreciate the accountability that, okay, I've got someone there who's going to take through it every week. Every week we're going to catch up and they're going to look at what I eat and everything like that and make sure that I'm not veering off the path basically. Because that's very easy to do. It's very easy to wander away a little.

Shamiz Kachwalla (00:59:08):

That's what you've got to understand your purpose behind what you want to do. If you want to get rid of IBD, that's the number one goal. And focus on what you need to focus on. Don't try and look elsewhere when you're doing something, give it a good go and understand why you're doing it. Don't just do it because you want to then eventually eat something else. It's very much to do with your life and going to toilet properly. And again, that's what humbled me. Again, when we talk about this process, when I went to the bathroom properly, it was the most magical feeling. I guess, again, people take that for granted. It's like, oh, I'm just going to the toilet.

Kenny Honnas (00:59:54):

It was amazing. Thank you. We know it. Yeah, absolutely.

Shamiz Kachwalla (01:00:03):

Exactly. When you have that perfect stool, you're just like, all right, well something's gone on really well down there and I'm so glad it's because it wasn't like that before. And that fellow I, people will know that and that's what matters. But then long-term as well, not just a week or two or symptom free or just really understanding that that's what you like every day and that's what you want to do every day. That's how you want to be going to the bathroom. And yeah, I'm just so grateful that that's happening to me and with what I do, how I live by is creating that for me. And it's magical and it's like I wouldn't change it for anything. Because we know what it's like to suffer and we know what it's like to go so many times to the bathroom and if there's a way out, then I'm going to do whatever it takes to get there.

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I'm not going to start complaining or make excuses, I'm just going to be like right, here it is. And that's what I had to do. That's what men had to do to really focus on what we needed to. And here we are now just smashing it. And that's a testament to what we've been doing and what we've been learning.

Kenny Honnas (01:01:21):

Yeah, absolutely.

Shukul Kachwalla (01:01:23):

So, I mean, just to answer your question, if people want get in touch with us, go onto the website, highcarbhealth.com. There's a button there. Even from my Instagram, you can just say, have a chat with us, follow us or message us on Instagram. We'll send you the link. And book a 30-minute chat with Sham. He'll tell you what you need. We have many different options now. So it's not like when you worked with us just have this many things to do.

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There's many different options now. There's an education piece if you want to try it on your own, depending on what your budget is, there's more touch points or less touch points. And so when you have a chat with Sham and you can tell him, okay, this is what I need, this is what I want, then he can actually work out a way forward for you that will fit your budget. So it depends on what you do. But as you and Sham both know, the investment in your health is the most valuable investment you'll ever make. And there's the age-old saying that most people will use up their health chasing wealth in their early years. And then as they get older, they'll use up all their wealth chasing their health. So don't do it that way. Do it the other way around. Get your health and then enjoy your health and your wealth later on in life instead of wasting away the last few years of your life. I mean, I see it all the time. People retire, but they can't do anything in retirement because they've got no health.

Kenny Honnas (01:02:50):

Right.

Shukul Kachwalla (01:02:51):

They can hardly run around the block. So you need to be able to have that health to enjoy your life and have that quality of life. But yeah, if you're looking at healing and you want to talk to Sham, then it's only $50 as well. Try and make it as easy as we can. 50 Australian, 30 minutes for Sham, he'll give you an idea of what you need to do and then if you want to work with them, you can. If you don't, that's cool. There's no obligation.

Shamiz Kachwalla (01:03:19):

We've got plenty of information on our huge channel Instagram page suggesting things and lots of information out there. So pick and choose and it'll change your life of that sort. Whatever you do, it'll change your life and make sure you do it properly and think about the things that you want to do later in your life. And I'm doing this because I want longevity. I'm looking for longevity. When we see the people around the world who lives the longest with the blue zones and things like that, the diets are predominantly complex, they do eat a little bit of meat and that's cool, that's fine. What if they didn't eat the meat? They live longer. I don't know. And that's what I'm looking at to go, okay, well, I want to be like that when I'm older. I don't want to be in a wheelchair on a walking stick. I think we might have pact with some of my friends.

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When we were doing the marathon, there was a lady there that was like 80 something years old and she did a full marathon. And I was like, all right guys, when we're that age, we've got to do this together and we've got to complete the marathon. No excuses because this lady did it. And that's the inspiration we get from other people. It's so amazing what people do.

Shukul Kachwalla (01:04:46):

Yeah, I'm riding with a guy, he's 78, he was the age real world champion for road cycling when he was 65, and he still rides.

Kenny Honnas (01:04:55):

Oh, that's crazy.

Shukul Kachwalla (01:04:57):

He's 78 and he's just staying with us.

Shamiz Kachwalla (01:05:05):

What's his mileage?

Shukul Kachwalla (01:05:07):

He's done about 6,000Ks on his bike this year already.

Shamiz Kachwalla (01:05:13):

How many miles is that?

Kenny Honnas (01:05:13):

That is crazy.

Shukul Kachwalla (01:05:15):

6,000 kilometers. You're in a US and you're doing miles, you work that out. 6,000 kilometers, trains to miles. And you'll see.

Kenny Honnas (01:05:21):

It's a lot.

Shukul Kachwalla (01:05:23):

That's 2,000 more kilometers than I've done this year. I thought I was doing a good amount and he's 78. Your body is capable, but if you don't use it, you'll lose it.

Kenny Honnas (01:05:38):

Yeah, very true. Dang. All right, well, the brothers of High Carb Health, definitely check them out. Highcarbhealth.com, follow them on Instagram. I so very much appreciate you guys taking the time today, giving up your morning and giving us some information, some knowledge, and it was really, really good to just talk to you all and reconnect with you.